it resurrected my old PC, an Eee PC 701 which could no longer run even the lightest Linux distros (already with antiX it was at its limit and tinycore is a little more complicated graphically). There is the Italian language and I don't think it's very difficult to learn.
ha resuscitato il mio vecchio pc, un eee pc 701 che non riusciva più a far girare neanche le distro linux più leggere (già con antiX era al limite e tinycore è un pò più complicato graficamente). C'è la lingua italiana e non credo sia difficilissimo da imparare.
I've been watching this project since 2014 and tried using it in 2016 but it wouldn't install on the old computer I had at the time (a machine built in the early 2000's). I saw a YouTube video earlier this year "Haiku just got awesome" and I decided to give Haiku another chance, and this time on my laptop (which is new and runs linux and windows perfectly fine) .
I got it to install on a USB and it connected to the internet with my wireless card just fine, though soon after surfing the web for less than 5 mins with web positive it crashed. Tried it again but it still kept crashing and was slow (which surprised me because EVERYONE keeps talking about how 'fast' it is). I then tried installing a simple Super Nintendo emulator (bsnes) on it via the Haiku Depot, the installation almost worked and then it failed. So I tried something simpler, VLC player, and guess what?.. it failed again. Maybe the USB was the issue but I doubt it..
So that was my Haiku experience, needless to say I wasn't impressed at all. Maybe Haiku just doesn't like my computers I use lol. If I did get it to work I'd definitely have a more positive outlook on the os. Though looking at it's history and progress and seeing how it's STILL in beta is just ridiculous. A cute little project but a waste of time.
Ok, so I used BeOS 5 Professional as my main diver back in the day and actually even used it as the heart of my PC media center. Then BeOs died :-(
I just installed R1-beta4 and was pleasantly surprised to see that it feels like my old system, only better and very responsive. Compared to previous iterations B4 actually works quite well. I tried Libreoffice, Krita, TexStudio and GIMP without any major issues. I also found that Youtube worked on the Otto Browser, which I frankly didn't expect. Games like Sonic Robo Blast 2 and Otto Matic bought back memories and I even installed Yabasic and Algol 68G!
Overall, this project is making significant progress towards a truly stable and usable system. I don't think I will give up FreeBSD or Linux just yet, but I will be installing this operating system permanently onto a spare drive on my 32GB Dell Optiplex to test it long term and maybe even do some actual work!
I have been watching Haiku for many years now,
Beta 4 is finally a usable operating system, in many ways superior to various Linux distros:
Consistent, database - like file system (inherited from BeOS - still unbeatable)
A lot of working applications from Office to Web (Gnome WEB seems the best choice for now, WEB Positive is still work in progress).
It is very fast even on old hardware and supports enough hardware to run on many machines.
Hardware support is getting better by the month, modern USB, Network, Sound and WifI chips are quite well supported.
UI is and always was nice and consistent, customizations are decent (work in progress).
Command line is very good and supports most features from other Unix-like OSs
For a single - user system with needs to communicate, write, design graphics or just listen to music and watch videos - perfect choice with not much headaches.
For a programmer or tinkerer - great system to add to it, expand and customize.
Since Haiku hired high quality developer and has wonderful active community - all goes into the direction of truly mature and usable OS.
I take to points off simply because there are still many smaller bugs (mostly in apps, the core system is stable) to be sorted out (well - it is BETA 4, not release)
With the latest release, Haiku R1/beta 4, Haiku has become a fully usable operating system. It is pretty stable and has the basic software that most people need, such as a good web-browser (Gnome/Web/Infinity - I wish they would use just one name), Libre0ffice, Gimp, etc., etc..
It's VERY fast, even on ancient hardware. It's much easier to use than any version of Linux, and it doesn't spy on you.
Bear in mind that this is a Beta release, so things will get better and better. For me, now, as a general-purpose, everyday OS it is just what I need, and I am delighted to finally get out of the clutches of the robbers barons of Redmond.
I used BeOS at university in the 90s. I always loved the interface and development of simple applications was straightforward. As such I have been following the progress of Haiku, the open source remake for the last decade. However, I felt it was never suitable for desktop general use, until R4 was released.
I was amazed by how fast this R4 booted on my ancient single core Atom 160 machine with 1GB RAM and even thought the SIS graphics was not recognised, the interface response is basically near instant.
The included browser WebPositive is a little janky and doesn't play Youtube on this old dog of a PC. And you have to select your hardware carefully if you want wireless access.
However, as a standard desktop client, with LibreOffice, mail and web browser and most Epson and Canon printers all working out of the box via gutenprint, this odd relic from the 1990s is amazingly spritely.
Final verdict on R4:
It has been very stable, VERY VERY quick and is finally generally usable.
Although, HW support is sadly still lacking in many areas.
I'll give it an 8 becuase it's such a simple, practical OS and harkens back to the simplicity and purity of function that many distros lack today.
Runs well on my old HP Stream. The UI feels incredibly responsive and I enjoy using it. Honestly, I can't explain exactly why I like the interface but I have started using it for simple office tasks (LibreOffice installed and runs fine) because I enjpy it. Also, the lack of options helps me stay on task.
I'm running it off a good quality USB drive. I have had a few issues with HaikuDepot crashing and installs failing but the recent update has helped lessen these issues somewhat. For me the install was easy. My suggestion to anyone thinking of trying Haiku on real hardware is to Read the Haiku Wiki Hardware Section ------- Read the hardware compatibility section. If it isn't on that page, don't expect it to work. This OS runs well on old hardware if it is compatible and drivers exist.
I should say that I mostly just use Linux and stumbled on Haiku while I was searching for a hardware issue on with this laptop. It seemed interesting and I have been using it for simple office tasks and am surprised by how much I enjoy the experience.
but you can only vote for what you have with haiku. Since Beta 4, my network cards are unsupported (unstable and keep connecting and disconnecting in seconds), this is not fun and keeps me from using the current Haiku version.
I've been with Haiku since the beginning, writing tutorials and programming with the yab programming language. I'm also running the Haiku hardware list with a friend and we're collecting and adding hardware reported by users.
Haiku is a great system, ok for me, the beta is a step backwards but not for everyone, changes to support newer hardware have broken older things, this is normal and I need to find a supported NIC to use the beta 4.
Haiku is simple, not complicated, small, fast, and the steps each beta takes are wide and good. Many things came to Haiku over the years, like LibreOffice and others.
And yes, Haiku doesn't have direct hardware support, but I can play Minecraft with no problems.
anyboot.iso will not boot with EFI firmware in QEMU/KVM. Since all my real hardware is UEFI only with no CSM available, which makes it completely useless IMO. Modern hardware runs on UEFI, most doesn't support CSM/classic boot anymore. Pretty much pointless to bother with an OS that doesn't support most of the hardware made in the last 3-4 years.
Still don't see how the devs promote this as a usable OS given it's massive limitations. I know it's still beta, but beta should at least have the capability to be installed on real hardware.
It's waste of time unless you know how convince Haiku Comunity to do something with it for real. It's as bad and as useless as BeOS was in past. You can boot from EFI, you can connect to WiFi, you can use on more modern hardware but you cant do anything about it. It's unstable, specially HaikuDepot when you install more apps, once you install after couple months update repo will be dead end no longer giving you way to upgrade. Pretty but useless. It's easy to replicate once you install, replicate to USB and install back to HDD. Preffer Slax over it because if you install Slax to USB stick you still can use this stick but also add modules, remove problematic modules. You cant do it with Haiku if you make mistake by installing unstable app you may get in trouble and need to instal it again fresh clean just as you had to Windows 98. For Windows or Linux we have Marcium Reflect. For Haiku? No such thing. UI people make so much fuzz about, is actually very BAD, ideas are just bad, the "Start button" and short window title bars might be good idea. Might if was combined with other elements inteligently such as vertical task bar. Imagine KDE with Panel on right top of screen with all buttons on it. And title bars of windows on left side of screen this might work. But Haiku wont allow maximized window to cover entire screen but also titles of maximized windows will remain hidden one under another. It remain unchanged since BeOS and Haiku developers dont see need to change it a bit.. System is like zoombie, or a vampire. How to make it alive or kill it? It doesnt and wont ever have hardware 3D OpenGL Vulkan OpenCL nor of these things. Should be small OS for VirtualBox, small host for PHP, Node.JS or whatever server but it wont ever have priviliges for users it only have one user. Should be based on Linux or BSD core with Haiku API added it's idea kept alive but waiting for someone to make use of it. At curent state it makes no difference BeOS, Haiku 2010, Haiku 2022.. nothing practically ever change. Try, see and forget.
A beautiful, easy to use distro that is speedy and stable. I love that this is the successor to BeOS and although it’s a beta and has some problems with some bugs, I give the developers huge props for trying to make a new BeOS updated for today’s use.
Haiku is a great successor to BeOS. It looks boots pretty quickly, looks great and has worked pretty well for me with not too much instability. I can understand it being a beta, so it’s not perfect and it doesn’t have a lot of people working on the development team, but I give the developers a lot of credit for trying their best and it not being another Linux-based distro. I look forward to seeing Haiku keep progressing.
Still needs lots more hardware support. Also would be nice to list a consolidated page of hardware computers that are compatiable and work with the haiku drivers. I went to the haiku web site and and when trying to find the hardware support page it took tome to 2 url sites that were canceled out and kept redirecting me to yet another page. Pleas post a page with all known working laptops and desktops that haiku will work with. Even after finding some that were listed, it took a while to stream through the listed (very poor list put together). Another thing that would help haiku get some business going is to have a pc hardware building dept for those who would like to buy a modern computer that have all the hardware necessary to run-ou-of-box. This way, all drivers would be satisfied. The user would be happy and rock his world :o)
I know its only beta stage but there is so little hardware support and most of what has been recommenced to work is legacy computers. Currently I am running Lennovo Thinkpad X230 laptop which is one of the few that works and complete.
Lenovo G580, LiveUSB. Very positive experience, no crashes, very fast boot time (under 10 seconds). I really like the design direction in Haiku, makes it a pure pleasure to use and look at. Tried a couple applications, video and music seem to work fine, and all the system settings are organized nicely. Didn't try the internet as it doesn't have any support for mobile broadband yet. Really rooting for this one, keep it up guys!
Some 20 years ago I used BeOS 4.5 and was amazed! Afterwards I bought BeOS 5, the GoBE productivity suite and the weighty BeOS bible. At the time it beat Windows 98SE hands-down in speed, agility and performance. It was a pain getting drivers for the hardware though and applications were sparse. Over the years Windows took over the workflow, BeOS moved to the archives. So I was extremely pleased to see it revived in Haiku. Would the recent beta 3 release be a decent candidate for a daily desktop system?
The positive news: it installed effortless on the HP 15xx laptop, as it did on the Asus X75V. Alas..there are still a lot of issues. How "clear" or "fuzzy" fonts and display appear, depends on the graphics card and monitor. The Asus delivered far better results than the HP (AMD Radeon). However, on the two tested machines only the build-in PCI LAN cards were recognized (RTL 8111 for the HP and Atheros 813 for the Asus), it failed to see both onboard wifi cards (RTL8723 DE and a generic Realtek that does show up in networkmanager but without finding any networks). So I can only use Haiku as long as I have a wired connection to the net. Webpositive is slow and crashed several times while trying YouTube videos. It still does not display them full screen and they still have bad image quality. Both the command line update as well as the GUI updater got stuck while trying to upgrade the Italian user guide. I wish they had split this into multiple packages because I do not have a need for the Italian user guide, still, the update seems to come only in an all-or-nothing deal.
I am aware that this is a beta test, but there is still a lot to straighten out. In the present state I could not use this as a daily desktop system, but rather as a hobby project. All of that being said, I am eagerly awaiting the next release and yes, kudos to the small community of people that are trying to bring an alternative OS.
it resurrected my old PC, an Eee PC 701 which could no longer run even the lightest Linux distros (already with antiX it was at its limit and tinycore is a little more complicated graphically). There is the Italian language and I don't think it's very difficult to learn.
ha resuscitato il mio vecchio pc, un eee pc 701 che non riusciva più a far girare neanche le distro linux più leggere (già con antiX era al limite e tinycore è un pò più complicato graficamente). C'è la lingua italiana e non credo sia difficilissimo da imparare.
I've been watching this project since 2014 and tried using it in 2016 but it wouldn't install on the old computer I had at the time (a machine built in the early 2000's). I saw a YouTube video earlier this year "Haiku just got awesome" and I decided to give Haiku another chance, and this time on my laptop (which is new and runs linux and windows perfectly fine) .
I got it to install on a USB and it connected to the internet with my wireless card just fine, though soon after surfing the web for less than 5 mins with web positive it crashed. Tried it again but it still kept crashing and was slow (which surprised me because EVERYONE keeps talking about how 'fast' it is). I then tried installing a simple Super Nintendo emulator (bsnes) on it via the Haiku Depot, the installation almost worked and then it failed. So I tried something simpler, VLC player, and guess what?.. it failed again. Maybe the USB was the issue but I doubt it..
So that was my Haiku experience, needless to say I wasn't impressed at all. Maybe Haiku just doesn't like my computers I use lol. If I did get it to work I'd definitely have a more positive outlook on the os. Though looking at it's history and progress and seeing how it's STILL in beta is just ridiculous. A cute little project but a waste of time.
Ok, so I used BeOS 5 Professional as my main diver back in the day and actually even used it as the heart of my PC media center. Then BeOs died :-(
I just installed R1-beta4 and was pleasantly surprised to see that it feels like my old system, only better and very responsive. Compared to previous iterations B4 actually works quite well. I tried Libreoffice, Krita, TexStudio and GIMP without any major issues. I also found that Youtube worked on the Otto Browser, which I frankly didn't expect. Games like Sonic Robo Blast 2 and Otto Matic bought back memories and I even installed Yabasic and Algol 68G!
Overall, this project is making significant progress towards a truly stable and usable system. I don't think I will give up FreeBSD or Linux just yet, but I will be installing this operating system permanently onto a spare drive on my 32GB Dell Optiplex to test it long term and maybe even do some actual work!
I have been watching Haiku for many years now,
Beta 4 is finally a usable operating system, in many ways superior to various Linux distros:
Consistent, database - like file system (inherited from BeOS - still unbeatable)
A lot of working applications from Office to Web (Gnome WEB seems the best choice for now, WEB Positive is still work in progress).
It is very fast even on old hardware and supports enough hardware to run on many machines.
Hardware support is getting better by the month, modern USB, Network, Sound and WifI chips are quite well supported.
UI is and always was nice and consistent, customizations are decent (work in progress).
Command line is very good and supports most features from other Unix-like OSs
For a single - user system with needs to communicate, write, design graphics or just listen to music and watch videos - perfect choice with not much headaches.
For a programmer or tinkerer - great system to add to it, expand and customize.
Since Haiku hired high quality developer and has wonderful active community - all goes into the direction of truly mature and usable OS.
I take to points off simply because there are still many smaller bugs (mostly in apps, the core system is stable) to be sorted out (well - it is BETA 4, not release)
With the latest release, Haiku R1/beta 4, Haiku has become a fully usable operating system. It is pretty stable and has the basic software that most people need, such as a good web-browser (Gnome/Web/Infinity - I wish they would use just one name), Libre0ffice, Gimp, etc., etc..
It's VERY fast, even on ancient hardware. It's much easier to use than any version of Linux, and it doesn't spy on you.
Bear in mind that this is a Beta release, so things will get better and better. For me, now, as a general-purpose, everyday OS it is just what I need, and I am delighted to finally get out of the clutches of the robbers barons of Redmond.
I used BeOS at university in the 90s. I always loved the interface and development of simple applications was straightforward. As such I have been following the progress of Haiku, the open source remake for the last decade. However, I felt it was never suitable for desktop general use, until R4 was released.
I was amazed by how fast this R4 booted on my ancient single core Atom 160 machine with 1GB RAM and even thought the SIS graphics was not recognised, the interface response is basically near instant.
The included browser WebPositive is a little janky and doesn't play Youtube on this old dog of a PC. And you have to select your hardware carefully if you want wireless access.
However, as a standard desktop client, with LibreOffice, mail and web browser and most Epson and Canon printers all working out of the box via gutenprint, this odd relic from the 1990s is amazingly spritely.
Final verdict on R4:
It has been very stable, VERY VERY quick and is finally generally usable.
Although, HW support is sadly still lacking in many areas.
I'll give it an 8 becuase it's such a simple, practical OS and harkens back to the simplicity and purity of function that many distros lack today.
but you can only vote for what you have with haiku. Since Beta 4, my network cards are unsupported (unstable and keep connecting and disconnecting in seconds), this is not fun and keeps me from using the current Haiku version.
I've been with Haiku since the beginning, writing tutorials and programming with the yab programming language. I'm also running the Haiku hardware list with a friend and we're collecting and adding hardware reported by users.
Haiku is a great system, ok for me, the beta is a step backwards but not for everyone, changes to support newer hardware have broken older things, this is normal and I need to find a supported NIC to use the beta 4.
Haiku is simple, not complicated, small, fast, and the steps each beta takes are wide and good. Many things came to Haiku over the years, like LibreOffice and others.
And yes, Haiku doesn't have direct hardware support, but I can play Minecraft with no problems.
Runs well on my old HP Stream. The UI feels incredibly responsive and I enjoy using it. Honestly, I can't explain exactly why I like the interface but I have started using it for simple office tasks (LibreOffice installed and runs fine) because I enjpy it. Also, the lack of options helps me stay on task.
I'm running it off a good quality USB drive. I have had a few issues with HaikuDepot crashing and installs failing but the recent update has helped lessen these issues somewhat. For me the install was easy. My suggestion to anyone thinking of trying Haiku on real hardware is to Read the Haiku Wiki Hardware Section ------- Read the hardware compatibility section. If it isn't on that page, don't expect it to work. This OS runs well on old hardware if it is compatible and drivers exist.
I should say that I mostly just use Linux and stumbled on Haiku while I was searching for a hardware issue on with this laptop. It seemed interesting and I have been using it for simple office tasks and am surprised by how much I enjoy the experience.
anyboot.iso will not boot with EFI firmware in QEMU/KVM. Since all my real hardware is UEFI only with no CSM available, which makes it completely useless IMO. Modern hardware runs on UEFI, most doesn't support CSM/classic boot anymore. Pretty much pointless to bother with an OS that doesn't support most of the hardware made in the last 3-4 years.
Still don't see how the devs promote this as a usable OS given it's massive limitations. I know it's still beta, but beta should at least have the capability to be installed on real hardware.
It's waste of time unless you know how convince Haiku Comunity to do something with it for real. It's as bad and as useless as BeOS was in past. You can boot from EFI, you can connect to WiFi, you can use on more modern hardware but you cant do anything about it. It's unstable, specially HaikuDepot when you install more apps, once you install after couple months update repo will be dead end no longer giving you way to upgrade. Pretty but useless. It's easy to replicate once you install, replicate to USB and install back to HDD. Preffer Slax over it because if you install Slax to USB stick you still can use this stick but also add modules, remove problematic modules. You cant do it with Haiku if you make mistake by installing unstable app you may get in trouble and need to instal it again fresh clean just as you had to Windows 98. For Windows or Linux we have Marcium Reflect. For Haiku? No such thing. UI people make so much fuzz about, is actually very BAD, ideas are just bad, the "Start button" and short window title bars might be good idea. Might if was combined with other elements inteligently such as vertical task bar. Imagine KDE with Panel on right top of screen with all buttons on it. And title bars of windows on left side of screen this might work. But Haiku wont allow maximized window to cover entire screen but also titles of maximized windows will remain hidden one under another. It remain unchanged since BeOS and Haiku developers dont see need to change it a bit.. System is like zoombie, or a vampire. How to make it alive or kill it? It doesnt and wont ever have hardware 3D OpenGL Vulkan OpenCL nor of these things. Should be small OS for VirtualBox, small host for PHP, Node.JS or whatever server but it wont ever have priviliges for users it only have one user. Should be based on Linux or BSD core with Haiku API added it's idea kept alive but waiting for someone to make use of it. At curent state it makes no difference BeOS, Haiku 2010, Haiku 2022.. nothing practically ever change. Try, see and forget.
A beautiful, easy to use distro that is speedy and stable. I love that this is the successor to BeOS and although it’s a beta and has some problems with some bugs, I give the developers huge props for trying to make a new BeOS updated for today’s use.
Haiku is a great successor to BeOS. It looks boots pretty quickly, looks great and has worked pretty well for me with not too much instability. I can understand it being a beta, so it’s not perfect and it doesn’t have a lot of people working on the development team, but I give the developers a lot of credit for trying their best and it not being another Linux-based distro. I look forward to seeing Haiku keep progressing.
Still needs lots more hardware support. Also would be nice to list a consolidated page of hardware computers that are compatiable and work with the haiku drivers. I went to the haiku web site and and when trying to find the hardware support page it took tome to 2 url sites that were canceled out and kept redirecting me to yet another page. Pleas post a page with all known working laptops and desktops that haiku will work with. Even after finding some that were listed, it took a while to stream through the listed (very poor list put together). Another thing that would help haiku get some business going is to have a pc hardware building dept for those who would like to buy a modern computer that have all the hardware necessary to run-ou-of-box. This way, all drivers would be satisfied. The user would be happy and rock his world :o)
I know its only beta stage but there is so little hardware support and most of what has been recommenced to work is legacy computers. Currently I am running Lennovo Thinkpad X230 laptop which is one of the few that works and complete.
Lenovo G580, LiveUSB. Very positive experience, no crashes, very fast boot time (under 10 seconds). I really like the design direction in Haiku, makes it a pure pleasure to use and look at. Tried a couple applications, video and music seem to work fine, and all the system settings are organized nicely. Didn't try the internet as it doesn't have any support for mobile broadband yet. Really rooting for this one, keep it up guys!
Some 20 years ago I used BeOS 4.5 and was amazed! Afterwards I bought BeOS 5, the GoBE productivity suite and the weighty BeOS bible. At the time it beat Windows 98SE hands-down in speed, agility and performance. It was a pain getting drivers for the hardware though and applications were sparse. Over the years Windows took over the workflow, BeOS moved to the archives. So I was extremely pleased to see it revived in Haiku. Would the recent beta 3 release be a decent candidate for a daily desktop system?
The positive news: it installed effortless on the HP 15xx laptop, as it did on the Asus X75V. Alas..there are still a lot of issues. How "clear" or "fuzzy" fonts and display appear, depends on the graphics card and monitor. The Asus delivered far better results than the HP (AMD Radeon). However, on the two tested machines only the build-in PCI LAN cards were recognized (RTL 8111 for the HP and Atheros 813 for the Asus), it failed to see both onboard wifi cards (RTL8723 DE and a generic Realtek that does show up in networkmanager but without finding any networks). So I can only use Haiku as long as I have a wired connection to the net. Webpositive is slow and crashed several times while trying YouTube videos. It still does not display them full screen and they still have bad image quality. Both the command line update as well as the GUI updater got stuck while trying to upgrade the Italian user guide. I wish they had split this into multiple packages because I do not have a need for the Italian user guide, still, the update seems to come only in an all-or-nothing deal.
I am aware that this is a beta test, but there is still a lot to straighten out. In the present state I could not use this as a daily desktop system, but rather as a hobby project. All of that being said, I am eagerly awaiting the next release and yes, kudos to the small community of people that are trying to bring an alternative OS.
Would be amazing if it had more apps, current library is near nonexistent.
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